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Oil, DAX and S&P freezing

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[2016-01-14 03:19:27]
Sierra Chart - Max - Posts: 5770
[1] 2016-01-12 15:36:26 GMT | By : User - United Kingdom | Status : Open

My DAX, Oil and S&P charts froze at 14.45 London time. I have "delete and download data", restarted the application, restarted my PC and none of it has helped.

What is the issue and what is being done to fix the issue? This is not the first time I have had this issue. Many of my friends have also had the same issue

[2] 2016-01-12 21:34:50 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

The data feed from FXCM had a problem earlier. This was the cause of the issue. So this was an FXCM issue.

Will be patching the missing data later on today.

Next time you have this issue, use the Support Board and not an Account Support Ticket:
https://www.sierrachart.com/SupportBoard.php

[3] 2016-01-12 22:05:30 GMT | By : User - United Kingdom | Status : Open

What was the issue with the FXCM feed and what are they doing to ensure that it does not happen again?

My account with FXCM had no data issues today.

[4] 2016-01-12 22:08:55 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

Obviously the data feed stopped for CFD symbols from FXCM. The Forex symbols were not affected.

Beyond that we do not know what the problem was because FXCM is a separate entity.

And we do not know what they are doing to ensure it will not happen again.

[5] 2016-01-13 10:40:18 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

Letting you know, that the missing data for the CFDs has now been patched.

Follow the instructions here to download the missing data:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/doc_HistoricalIntradayData.html#RetryDownloadDataInChart

[6] 2016-01-13 22:02:51 GMT | By : User - United Kingdom | Status : Open

Regarding response 4 below, I had already figured that the CFD feed from FXCM had failed and I fully understand that FXCM is a separate entity.

From a customer perspective I need to understand that this is a reliable feed as it is vital to my trading. I would like to have confidence that you understand what the issue is and that FXCM have resolved the cause of the issue, unless that is, that the reliability of the CFD feed from FXCM is not important to Sierra.

The impression I get from response 4 is that this feed is not important to Sierra. If this is the case, Please confirm , as I would like to share this info with my fellow traders.

[7] 2016-01-13 22:38:54 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

We understand what you are saying, but we cannot guarantee the reliability of the source data feed from FXCM.

We do everything we can to ensure that the data feed is provided reliably from our side, and anytime there is a problem on our side, we take the necessary steps to prevent it.

Therefore, a problem with the data feed on the Sierra Chart side is going to be very rare.

It is not going to help us to communicate with FXCM about this. It is very unlikely anything meaningful would come from that based on our experience.

Perhaps they could give us access to a different server that was not affected assuming that was even the case to begin with, but that does not guarantee there will not be a problem with that server at some point in the future.

The data feed is important to us, but understand that we cannot control what FXCM does. So you have to come to your own conclusion based on past experience as to the reliability of it relative to your needs. And you are most welcome to communicate that information to other traders and provide what we said here word for word.

We are also going to be making the LMAX forex exchange service available at no cost if you have a trading account with them. We have discussed this in this thread here:
Announcement: New Connection Model for FXCM and LMAX

So you should consider using that as an alternative. And that is the best way in which a problem like this can be managed which is for us to provide other sources of Forex and CFD data so that the other can be used if one fails. This is what we are currently working on.

[8] 2016-01-13 22:39:45 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

But we will go ahead and ask FXCM about the reason for the outage and see what they say and see what they can suggest to help prevent that again.

So we will see what comes from that.


[9] 2016-01-13 22:44:23 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

Another thing which is apparent to us that may not be apparent to you, is at the connection with FXCM was solid and stable and the Forex data was being transmitted but the CFD data stopped.

So from our position, there was nothing to even investigate or do in this particular case unless the problem continued.

However, we took the steps to patch the missing data. That is a very special effort that we took to ensure that users are not missing chart data. That in and of itself should say something about the quality of service that we offer.

If there was a complete loss of connectivity, we would definitely be looking into that and contacting FXCM about it. Although that is not what happened here.

Even with LMAX, sometimes but rarely, their data feed server just becomes unavailable for a few minutes. That is not something that we would investigate because we just figure they have some sort of problem on their side. Especially being that we are located in a data center with direct fiber-optic connectivity to LMAX.



[10] 2016-01-13 23:22:11 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

The other thing you probably are not aware of, is that over the years, like the last 20 years, is that we do tell various problems to external services that should be addressed.

Often this leads to no resolution. So based on past experience, we are only going to take the time to communicate something to an external service which we think would result in a resolution. This is not one of them.

And are you also aware about our experience with IG Markets in the UK:
Blacklisted Data and Trade Services

IG markets is a total corrupt operation. The supporting Markets was because many users were asking for that.

So you need to understand, just because some of our users tells us about a problem outside of our control or really wants something from us, we are not going to go out of our way to accommodate them if it is unproductive or unnecessary or a complete waste of our time.

Too often, we have been too accommodating to the detriment of ourselves and to ultimately other users.

The latest issue, surrounds Rithmic, and the idea that we have to use two separate proprietary in process APIs and have complicated code and linking in order for users to avoid a 25 USD fee per month when Rithmic just simply needs to program an option on their side.

So you can understand our position on things. It is not as though we do not care. But we cannot control something and we do not want to waste time with something that we think is going to be unproductive.

You are welcome to post all of this publicly. We would be more than happy about that. We are actually going to take this thread and post it on our public support board so everyone can see it. We will have that done later today.


[11] 2016-01-13 23:28:46 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

Furthermore, are you aware that at this very moment we are actually very busy working on a problem with our stock data feed file storage. This is something that we have control over and we can resolve. So it shows that we do care about providing a quality service.

We are taking all the time necessary and cost to resolve it properly.

And all of this communication, and I know you did ask for all of this, is taking away time from that. So we are working on and focusing on solving a problem that we have control over ourselves. Not external problems which we have no control over.

[12] 2016-01-14 00:07:49 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

There were some dictation errors in the second to last posting.

They have been corrected.

Reload the page for the corrections. So if you are going to post any this information publicly, please use the current page after reloading it.

And we have even contacted other brokers like Oanda about using their data feed even for their noncustomers, but they were not enthusiastic about that idea and they also do not provide an acceptable trading interface for us to work with.

So we are grateful for what FXCM already provides us.

[13] 2016-01-14 01:20:14 GMT | By : Sierra Chart Support | Status : Open

We have a response from FXCM:

"There is a pending incident report request that we are waiting on from our production team. Once we get more information, we will pass on the information.

Thank you for your patience with this matter."

Sierra Chart Support
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2016-01-14 03:45:43
[2016-01-14 03:27:33]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
The above postings are not meant to be critical of FXCM or their services in any way. We know they are doing their best, and we appreciate the data feed they provide us.

We are just a saying, we cannot control external services, and it is not going to help us to contact external services about their problems. Obviously they will take care problems themselves and there is no reason for us to be bothering them about stuff like this.

And you as a user, need to be responsible and have backups, and make your own decisions.

And we are not critical here of the individual user who brought this to our attention. This public posting is part of a larger problem and to create an understanding of what we go through. Everyone needs to be responsible for themselves. It is important to communicate ideas and improvements. But most of the time, these are not adopted by service providers because this is a completely pathetic industry. And we are not afraid to say so.

And we are not perfect ourselves but at least we are open and honest and to the point, and work towards continual improvement, and do things right. This is one reason why we created the DTC Protocol:
Http://DTCProtocol.org

And it is ridiculous that at this point, no major service provider has expressed an interest in this, other than TransAct.

The another major problem in this industry, is these completely ridiculous exchange fees and the huge down the line detriment they cause which may not be apparent to some. We are hearing every single day about this, from everyone and from brokers. We may not have the legal argument correct, but the way the exchanges are operating, is simply unfair and in some cases probably violates competition law.

You may not be aware, but the ICE is going to be charging 110 USD for every user who wants to receive the real-time data from their exchanges effect of April 2016. Separately for ICE US and separately for ICE Europe.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2016-01-14 03:57:18
[2016-01-14 04:02:19]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
Actually we need to make a correction, True Data in India also plans to adopt the DTC Protocol:
http://www.truedata.in/
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

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[2016-01-14 06:54:30]
User93464 - Posts: 52
Thank you for your additional responses.

I don't doubt for a minute the challenges Sierra experience from the industry. I think your software is great, but response 4 above??

I'll leave it to anyone reading this thread to form their own opinion. Good to hear that you have at least asked FXCM about the reason for the outage and see what they say and see what they can suggest to help prevent that again.
[2016-01-19 01:22:28]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
Here is the response from FXCM. It is attached.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

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[2016-01-29 10:25:56]
User93464 - Posts: 52
GER30 had another gap in data between the 10.05 and 10.10 am candles London time today
[2016-01-29 10:38:12]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
We do not see this.

We only notice data missing for 10:10 UTC time for GER30.

This is all.

Refer to this page for instructions:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/doc_HistoricalIntradayData.html#RetryDownloadDataInChart
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service:
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[2016-01-30 07:38:06]
User93464 - Posts: 52
I understand how to get the data back but I need to understand why the issue occurred and what you and FXCM are doing to resolve it. Issues with your CFD data are becoming more frequent. Enclosed is screenshot of gap and freezing. From the customers perspective, data reliability is vitally important. We need to have confidence that you and FXCM are on top of this issue.
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[2016-01-30 08:26:12]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
We have been contemplating how to respond to this.

For your information the GER30 symbol stopped transmitting data for about a one minute from FXCM. That was the problem.

We have some questions for you:

Do trade CFD data through FXCM?

Are you aware that you can trade CFDs through Interactive Brokers and use Interactive Brokers data? Are you aware that Sierra Chart is going to be adding support for an economical connection to LMAX to trade Forex and CFDs?

Are you aware that you can trade mini DAX futures through the EUREX and obtain a high-quality EUREX futures data feed from Sierra Chart? You can open an account with a futures broker and start trading mini DAX futures and use a high-quality Sierra Chart data feed.

Trading futures is an alternative. As well as using the Sierra Chart Exchange Data Feed. Rather than focusing on the problems with FXCM, look for an alternative. And if that means leaving Sierra Chart, then that is fine. However, keep in mind, we offer already many alternatives with another one coming (LMAX).

We cannot make anything better with the FXCM feed. It is what it is. Overall it works quite well.

I understand how to get the data back
You should not have to do anything to get back the GER30 data that our servers have and that was transmitted by FXCM. This happens automatically due to the design and redundancy of Sierra Chart systems, protocols and software.

We only gave you instructions on how to do this just in case data was missing for some other reason.

Assuming you did try to re-download the data, you should not have noticed any change in the chart bars. Did you?

In other words when you re-download the data, did the chart change at the point where there is that one missing bar? It should not have.

Any further problems with FXCM that are on the FXCM side, we cannot change. If we hear about another problem, and it is determined to be on the FXCM side, we will just say this was an FXCM issue and nothing more . If that is not the answer that you want and you do not consider acceptable and you want to leave and let others know as well, then that is something we have no control over.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2016-01-30 23:45:11
[2016-02-29 00:33:46]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
Hello,

We want you to be aware of this recent issue and the steps we have taken to prevent it:

Sierra Chart Forex/CFD Data Feed

Furthermore, support for LMAX will be out next month. However, it will require a trading account with them.

One reason for letting you know about this is we do not want our prior comments to prevent problem reports because we do need to be aware of when there is an issue so that we can determine the source of it and take action on it if it is something we can resolve.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service:
Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2016-02-29 02:37:08
[2016-05-02 21:15:31]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
Regarding this, we are going to contact LMAX and see if we can make the LMAX data feed available to all of our users.

If so, that will be another data feed available in addition to FXCM.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service:
Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

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