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Missing NG Spread

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[2023-09-22 19:32:29]
User664240 - Posts: 206
Your Missing NGV-NGX 2023 form NGV-NGX23
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[2023-09-23 12:55:47]
User664240 - Posts: 206
Is there a fix forthcoming as it's imperative this is rectified prior to Sunday's open as the October contract sets prices for the following month across the country for physical NG deliveries. Please let me know what your timeline is if any so I can plan accordingly.
[2023-09-23 17:57:43]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 17190
What is the exact problem you are having? We see a chart for this spread:
https://www.sierrachart.com/image.php?Image=1695491819281.png

Also, it does not make sense for spread data to be missing. That is not something that can ever happen. There is nothing that would ever have to be fixed. The data is always going to be available.
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[2023-09-23 19:58:57]
User664240 - Posts: 206
Perhaps you did not read my text, and just looked at the spread I highlighted in my uploaded image.being that it's not possible to highlight something that's missing I was hoping you would clearly see what was missing(NGV23-NGX23.FUT_SPREAD_NYMEX)after reading my text.

In short the list should be...
OCT23_OCT26
OCT23-NOV23
OCT23-NOV24
OCT23-NOV25
NOT -------------
OCT23-OCT26
OCT23-NOV24
OCT23-NOV25
(See Crude oil uploaded image as an example or look again at the NG image December contracts You will see the OCT-DEC chain begins with NGV23-NGZ23 not NGV23-NGZ24.

More Specifically with the correct symbols
NGV23-NGV26 (END OF THE OCT-OCT CHAIN Now OCT-NOV should begin with NOV 2023 not NOV 2024)

NGV23-NGX23....This is the missing spread
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[2023-09-24 20:37:22]
User664240 - Posts: 206
SC support PLEASE give this your utmost attention as the Market will be opening in 1.5hrs.
[2023-09-24 20:52:02]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 17190
Do you see it in this file:
ftp://ftp.cmegroup.com/SBEFix/Production/secdef.dat.gz

We are checking.
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[2023-09-24 20:54:17]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 17190
CME does not have:
NGV3-NGX3

You can check yourself. They use single digit years.
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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-09-24 20:54:33
[2023-09-24 20:56:23]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 17190
They do have TAS symbols:
NGTV3-NGTX3
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[2023-09-25 00:11:14]
User664240 - Posts: 206
I'm not sure what this means or what your point is here.

CME does not have:
NGV3-NGX3

You can check yourself. They use single digit years.
Basically your saying if they don't have it then it doesn't exist??

Why not follow up with the CME as the spread definitively exist which is clearly illustrated by the TAS contract which can't exist with out the underlying.

Well I took it upon myself to call the GCC to further aid me in illustrating to you that SC is not properly accessing the symbols from the file you reverenced and I know that because I'm seeing it correctly displayed in two separate DATA sources.
Tom from the CME graciously check the security file you referenced and has sent me the following excerpt clearly showing the spread

Hello William,

Thank you for contacting the CME Global Command Center (GCC).


NGV23-NGX23

Instrument from the security definition file provided below:

35=d | 5799=00000000 | 980=A | 779=20230924110514000721 | 1180=386 | 1300=78 | 462=16 | 207=XNYM | 1151=NG | 6937=NG | 55=NGV23-NGX23 | 48=194132 | 22=8 | 167=FUT | 461=FMMXSX | 200=202310 | 15=USD | 762=SP | 9779=N | 1142=F | 562=1 | 1140=1999 | 969=1.000000000 | 9787=0.001000000 | 996=CTRCT | 1150=-242.000000000 | 731=00000011 | 5796=20230922 | 1143=25.000000000 | 864=2 | 865=5 | 1145=20191031213000000000 | 865=7 | 1145=20230927183000000000 | 1141=2 | 1022=GBX | 264=10 | 1022=GBI | 264=2 | 870=1 | 871=24 | 872=00000000000011000010010000000011 | 1234=0 | 555=2 | 602=108278 | 603=8 | 624=1 | 623=1 | 602=150611 | 603=8 | 624=2 | 623=1 |



He suggested if you have further issues to call the GCC desk and they will help resolve this..
GCC in the U.S. at +1 800 438 8616,
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-09-25 00:12:48
[2023-09-25 03:49:25]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 17190
We are looking into this now.

The symbols are definitely faulty on the CME side. That particular symbol uses a two digit year from the CME which we have not seen before and all of the other NG contracts do not:

You can see the actual data here:
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Sierra Chart does have this data recorded but the symbol is not correct:
NGV323-NGX323.FUT_SPREAD.NYMEX
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[2023-09-25 03:55:14]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 17190
We will be fixing this problem. But you do have access to the data now (See the symbol in the post above) . We will not be able to correct the symbols until Monday or Tuesday evening.
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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-09-25 04:15:27
[2023-09-25 04:38:31]
User664240 - Posts: 206
let me summarize to illustrate how thoroughly confused I am

Posting the spread in the chart symbol window led to a blank chart
Searching for NG spreads led me to discover the "missing spread" based on a TWO digit year nomenclature(NGV23-NGX23) as has always been the SC nomenclature.
This leads SC support to the security file where all the current two digit representations of years are generated from a single digit year nomenclature. And therefore the spread in question was not found.
Which led me to contact the CME where a snippet of their security file containing two digit nomenclature NOT one digit per year as depicted in your security file posted above, clearly shows the spread..

IN summation there could be two distinct security files with two different nomenclatures leading to the same outcome ??

While in the meantime the COMBO symbol, NGV323-NGX323 using both nomenclatures works perfectly....

Wow..Good Luck with this.
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-09-25 04:39:15
[2023-09-25 04:56:54]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 17190
There is only one security definition file from the CME containing all of the symbols. And for some reason for the missing spread symbols on the Sierra Chart side, they are using two digit years, instead of the usual single digit year. This is very unusual. And this is very inconsistent on their part. Why they do that we do not know. We are not going to ask them about that as we can easily adapt to the problem.

And our function to convert from a single digit year to a two digit year, is now creating three digits for the year. We will patch that problem this evening but it is not going to get released until Monday or Tuesday evening because we have to correct the filenames.

None of this is difficult for us to resolve but we cannot do it while the market is open.
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[2023-09-26 22:06:57]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 17190
The correct symbols are now in effect for NYMEX. So this will be the symbol to use:
NGV23-NGX23 (Plus the additional common characters).

You should see this listed now.
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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-09-26 22:07:10

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