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Date/Time: Tue, 04 Mar 2025 17:59:51 +0000
Feature request: Searching settings
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| [2021-12-24 03:21:49] |
| User166108 - Posts: 73 |
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Hi Sierra Chart devs, As I get deeper into Sierra Chart, I am generally happy with the way things are done but I feel immensely uncertain when looking for a specific setting. Did I miss it? Did I look in the right tab of the right window? A suggestion I'd like to make is make settings searchable. There are two levels to this: 1. In the help menu, you can have someone type in the setting they are looking for. An example of how Mac does it is here: https://youtu.be/dBcAdU0cF5k?t=25 - I've also attached a screenshot 2. In the window for the study settings, have a textbox that lets users filter for the setting they are looking for. An example is here: https://youtu.be/DzXmAKdEYIs?t=10 - I've also attached a screenshot This means that new users would be less likely to feel overwhelmed and know they could fall back to search for keywords in the user interface. With Windows API, it isn't "super hard" to enumerate the relevant user interface elements and build a searchable in memory list so hopefully this wouldn't be very difficult to implement. If you choose to do it, please just do it in a way that it still works with Wine ;-) I'm aware that I can use a web search to search the documentation and this is helpful and consistent, but is really, really inefficient and only useful when I am desperate. Doesn't give a good feeling... Thanks! Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-12-24 03:27:42
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| [2021-12-24 17:06:53] |
| Tony - Posts: 550 |
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It's not a fair compression between Sierra and a company with 2.9T Cap and 210,000+ developers. Sierra's documentation and Support Board is absolutely phenomenal, I don't see any need for the features you mentioned. |
| [2021-12-24 23:04:49] |
| User166108 - Posts: 73 |
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No one is comparing SierraChart with Apple. It is merely a suggested user interface to access settings more efficiently. I sell software and I have a similar implementation in my own software, and I am not a trillion dollar company.
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| [2021-12-25 03:52:52] |
| Tony - Posts: 550 |
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I have no experience working in software industry, didn't mean any disrespect sir. Just for your info, Sierra doesn't support Wine, they actually recommended against it: Linux (Second post on page 1) My understanding is that there is no guarantee that Sierra works (or will work) with Wine. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-12-25 03:55:57
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| [2021-12-25 14:07:02] |
| User166108 - Posts: 73 |
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Please see this thread: Committing to Sierra Chart
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| [2021-12-25 17:26:22] |
| Tony - Posts: 550 |
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Thanks for the link User166108, I read the thread couple times. I could not find any confirmation about Sierra supporting Wine, I am running Sierra on Linux with Wine too, but just trying not to take it for granted, if for some reasons the Wine stops working in the future, I can not blame Sierra because they never promised to support Wine. I did see the Engineering Team mentioned: "... And we would no longer be using the Microsoft API for dialog windows." which seems like different message than your original post: "With Windows API, it isn't "super hard" to enumerate the relevant user interface elements ..." Again, as I mentioned, I have zero knowledge about software industry, maybe Microsoft API and Windows API are complete different matters. Anyway, thanks again for your replies, I probably didn't know what I was talking about, and really feel sorry for wasting your precious time. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-12-25 17:29:45
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| [2021-12-25 17:37:43] |
| User166108 - Posts: 73 |
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No worries :-) Wine supports the Win32 API pretty well, so if Sierra sticks to it which it seems they do, it will be good for us Linux users. Wine supports the API needed to enumerate the UI as I suggested. Sierra devs are obviously aware that people are using SC through Wine so I doubt they would deliberately want to handicap it which is why I made that thread to begin with, to find out if there were any known technical plans that would derail it. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-12-25 17:38:16
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| [2021-12-26 22:47:58] |
| Kiwi - Posts: 375 |
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I recommend two things. Keep older versions of Sierra (I install from zip so not difficult) and become familiar with how to control wine versions on your distro. In fact its not a bad idea to regularly take images of your home & root partitions. I like fsarchiver. That way, if a problem occurs you can revert to older versions and test them before letting SC know that a problem has occurred. Also keep an eye on linux posts on this board in case something like the X11 problems crops up again. I've been running SC on Wine on Linux for over 10 years and only experienced that one issue of significant magnitude so I'm happy that maintaining the ability to temporarily revert is likely to protect me in future. I'm still hanging out for the native nix version but SC on wine is ok. ~ > echo; inxi -v1; echo; echo X11 $(xdpyinfo | grep version); echo $(gcc --version | head -1) : $(python --version) : $(wine --version) System: Host: home Kernel: 5.15.11-arch2-1 x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: dwm 6.2 Distro: Obarun Linux CPU: Info: 6-core AMD Ryzen 5 3600 [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 2163 min/max: 2200/4208 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GP108 [GeForce GT 1030] driver: nvidia v: 495.46 Device-2: Logitech HD Webcam C525 type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.21.1.2 driver: loaded: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa resolution: 1: 1920x1080~60Hz 2: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 495.46 Drives: Local Storage: total: 2.84 TiB used: 917.73 GiB (31.6%) Info: Processes: 343 Uptime: 22m Memory: 15.64 GiB used: 2.94 GiB (18.8%) Shell: Zsh inxi: 3.3.11 X11 version number: 11.0 X.Org version: 1.21.1.2 gcc (GCC) 11.1.0 : Python 3.10.1 : wine-6.23 Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-12-26 22:48:55
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| [2021-12-26 22:52:34] |
| User166108 - Posts: 73 |
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Your post scares me tbh.
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| [2021-12-26 22:53:41] |
| Tony - Posts: 550 |
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Thanks Kiwi! I have been following your previous discussions about Linux/Wine and really learned a lot! Just out of curiosity, the major issue you mentioned, would you like to briefly share what was that and how you dealt with it? Cheers, System: Host: iMac Kernel: 5.0.0-32-generic x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Cinnamon 4.4.5 Distro: Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia CPU: Quad Core: Intel Core i5-4570S type: MCP speed: 813 MHz min/max: 800/2900 MHz Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GK107M [GeForce GT 750M Mac Edition] driver: nouveau v: kernel Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz, 1920x1080~60Hz, 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: NVE7 v: 4.3 Mesa 20.0.8 Drives: Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 57.53 GiB (6.2%) Info: Processes: 217 Uptime: 26m Memory: 7.73 GiB used: 1.55 GiB (20.1%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.32 X11 version number: 11.0 X.Org version: 1.20.4 Python 2.7.15+ gcc (Ubuntu 7.4.0-1ubuntu1~18.04.1) 7.4.0 : : wine-6.0.1 Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-12-26 23:06:22
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| [2021-12-31 00:05:36] |
| Kiwi - Posts: 375 |
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The problem was that Sierra would sometimes die on startup. Solveable by sometimes repeated restarts. There was ambiguity because an earlier version of Sc was better but in the end the solution was to upgrade X11 software (not needed for current branches).
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