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Can't figure out why Stop moving to Break Even
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| [2022-01-24 16:48:03] |
| User585019 - Posts: 27 |
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Hello, I'm in sim trading two contracts. I use an OCO and have never set an automatic breakeven setting. For some reason that I can't figure out, one of the contracts has its stop move to break even shortly after entering the trade. There is nothing in the trade window that says move to breakeven. Under Targets, Move to Breakeven for Stop is greyed out. Under Set, Move to BE Offset is set to 0 ticks, the default. Under General Trade settings and Chart Trade settings I didn't see anything selected that would generate a move to BE automatically. I'm not sure what kind of info you need to diagnose the problem, but I'm happy to send logs or a screenshot. Or if you can tell me where else to look. It's strange, because this has never happened before, so I wonder if a setting changed by accident or when I downloaded the newest version there's a new default I'm unaware of. It's also strange because only one of the two contracts does this. TIA for your time. |
| [2022-01-25 14:20:52] |
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You need to just check the Trade Activity Log for the reason: Trade Activity Log: Viewing Historical Trade Activity You will see the reason in the Order Action Source field for the line for the order modification. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing Date Time Of Last Edit: 2022-01-25 14:21:11
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| [2022-01-28 17:23:06] |
| User585019 - Posts: 27 |
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So I've opened the Trade Activity Log and gone under the Order Action Source as suggested. However, I don't see anything that would suggest why one contract had it's stop automatically move to break even. This is from a trade taken on SIM today in MCL. I bought 2 contracts using a standard OCO bracket. No auto breakeven settings used. As you can see, price moved up and at some point that I can't figure out, after price moved in my direction, the stop of just one of the contracts moved to break even and I was stopped out as price retested the entry level. I've bolded part of the 3 Trade, which was the break even stop, to show you what I'm seeing. Under Order Action Source all it says is: Trade simulation fill. Big: 87.75 Ask 87.76 Last 87.75 As mentioned in the original ticket, this automatic behavior only happens with one of the contracts. Please advise where to look and what to do to have just a normal OCO bracket with a target and stop that don't automatically move. TIA ActivityType DateTime TradeAccount Symbol BuySell Price OrderType InternalOrderID Quantity Price2 OrderStatus ServiceOrderID OrderActionSource FillPrice FilledQuantity OpenClose ParentInternalOrderID PositionQuantity FillExecutionServiceID HighDuringPosition LowDuringPosition Note AccountBalance ExchangeOrderID ClientOrderID TimeInForce Username Fills 2022-01-28 11:18:00.123985 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Buy 87.75 Limit 305 1 Filled 305 Trade simulation fill. Bid: 87.74 Ask: 87.75 Last: 87.75 87.75 1 Open 1 305.1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Fills 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124161 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Buy 87.75 Limit 308 1 Filled 308 Trade simulation fill. Bid: 87.73 Ask: 87.75 Last: 87.75 87.75 1 Open 2 308.1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Fills 2022-01-28 11:34:21.664315 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.75 Stop 307 1 Filled 307 Trade simulation fill. Bid: 87.75 Ask: 87.76 Last: 87.75 87.75 1 Close 305 1 307.1 88.19 87.63 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Fills 2022-01-28 11:53:50.608906 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.41 Stop 310 1 Filled 310 Trade simulation fill. Bid: 87.45 Ask: 87.46 Last: 87.41 87.45 1 Close 308 310.1 87.75 87.38 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day |
| [2022-01-28 19:32:06] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 38425 |
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You need to look at the Orders in the Trade Activity Log (not the Fills) to see what the source of the Move to BreakEven was. Refer to the following for how to change the filters in the Trade Activity Log: Trade Activity Log: Viewing Historical Trade Activity For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2022-01-31 14:38:40] |
| User585019 - Posts: 27 |
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Ok, so just on that one transaction with 2 contracts, here is what the Orders say: One line jumps out at me, I'm repasting here on its own, because it does indicate that somewhere there is an auto-trail command. However, when I check the Trade Window for the Chart settings, I don't see where that would be set. ActivityType DateTime TradeAccount Symbol BuySell Price OrderType InternalOrderID Quantity Price2 OrderStatus ServiceOrderID OrderActionSource FillPrice FilledQuantity OpenClose ParentInternalOrderID PositionQuantity FillExecutionServiceID HighDuringPosition LowDuringPosition Note AccountBalance ExchangeOrderID ClientOrderID TimeInForce Username Orders 2022-01-28 11:20:07.144162 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.41 Stop 307 1 Pending Modify 307 Auto trail order modification. Move to breakeven. Trigger price: 87.87. Using LastModifyQuantity of 1. Using new provided price. Requested Price: 87.75. Requested Quantity: 1 Close 305 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day All orders ActivityType DateTime TradeAccount Symbol BuySell Price OrderType InternalOrderID Quantity Price2 OrderStatus ServiceOrderID OrderActionSource FillPrice FilledQuantity OpenClose ParentInternalOrderID PositionQuantity FillExecutionServiceID HighDuringPosition LowDuringPosition Note AccountBalance ExchangeOrderID ClientOrderID TimeInForce Username Orders 2022-01-28 11:17:59.257911 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.15 Limit 306 Pending Child-Client MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order entry | Last: 87.75 | AO=1. Attached Order | Client side OCO order Close 305 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:17:59.273773 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 307 Pending Child-Client MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order entry | Last: 87.75 | AO=1. Attached Order | Client side OCO order Close 305 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:17:59.294634 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Buy 87.75 Limit 305 1 Order Sent MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order entry | Last: 87.75 | AO=1 Open MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:17:59.322505 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Buy 87.75 Limit 305 1 Open 305 Simulated order accepted Open MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:17:59.322551 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.35 Limit 309 Pending Child-Client MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order entry | Last: 87.75 | AO=1. Attached Order | Client side OCO order Close 308 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:17:59.343082 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 310 Pending Child-Client MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order entry | Last: 87.75 | AO=1. Attached Order | Client side OCO order Close 308 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:17:59.369219 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Buy 87.75 Limit 308 1 Order Sent MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order entry | Last: 87.75 | AO=1 Open MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:17:59.385998 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Buy 87.75 Limit 308 1 Open 308 Simulated order accepted Open MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.123984 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Buy 87.75 Limit 305 1 Filled 305 Trade simulation fill. Bid: 87.74 Ask: 87.75 Last: 87.75 87.75 1 Open MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124042 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 307 Pending Child-Client Updating move to breakeven stop reference price on parent modification/fill to 8775 Close 305 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124050 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 307 Pending Child-Client Updating move to breakeven stop trigger price on parent modification/fill to 8787 Close 305 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124063 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.15 Limit 306 1 Order Sent Auto-sent child from parent fill Close 305 1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124077 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 307 1 Order Sent Auto-sent child from parent fill Close 305 1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124103 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.15 Limit 306 1 Open 306 Simulated order accepted Close 305 1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124113 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 307 1 Open 307 Simulated order accepted Close 305 1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124160 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Buy 87.75 Limit 308 1 Filled 308 Trade simulation fill. Bid: 87.73 Ask: 87.75 Last: 87.75 87.75 1 Open 1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124203 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.35 Limit 309 1 Order Sent Auto-sent child from parent fill Close 308 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124219 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 310 1 Order Sent Auto-sent child from parent fill Close 308 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124242 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.35 Limit 309 1 Open 309 Simulated order accepted Close 308 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:00.124251 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 310 1 Open 310 Simulated order accepted Close 308 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:02.620303 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 307 1 Pending Modify 307 MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order modification. Requested Price: 87.41. Requested Quantity: 1 Close 305 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:02.620345 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.41 Stop 307 1 Open 307 Simulated order modify complete Close 305 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:04.861307 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.55 Stop 310 1 Pending Modify 310 MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order modification. Requested Price: 87.41. Requested Quantity: 1 Close 308 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:04.861356 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.41 Stop 310 1 Open 310 Simulated order modify complete Close 308 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:07.410374 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.15 Limit 306 1 Pending Modify 306 MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order modification. Requested Price: 88.84. Requested Quantity: 1 Close 305 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:07.410408 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.84 Limit 306 1 Open 306 Simulated order modify complete Close 305 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:11.487849 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.35 Limit 309 1 Pending Modify 309 MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX/MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX [CBV][M] 3 Min #8 | User order modification. Requested Price: 88.20. Requested Quantity: 1 Close 308 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:18:11.487886 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.20 Limit 309 1 Open 309 Simulated order modify complete Close 308 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:20:07.144162 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.41 Stop 307 1 Pending Modify 307 Auto trail order modification. Move to breakeven. Trigger price: 87.87. Using LastModifyQuantity of 1. Using new provided price. Requested Price: 87.75. Requested Quantity: 1 Close 305 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:20:07.144190 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.75 Stop 307 1 Open 307 Simulated order modify complete Close 305 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:34:21.664314 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.75 Stop 307 1 Filled 307 Trade simulation fill. Bid: 87.75 Ask: 87.76 Last: 87.75 87.75 1 Close 305 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:34:21.664395 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.84 Limit 306 1 Pending Cancel 306 Canceling order due to sibling fill Close 305 1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:34:21.664437 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.84 Limit 306 1 Canceled 306 Simulated order canceled Close 305 1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:53:50.608905 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.41 Stop 310 1 Filled 310 Trade simulation fill. Bid: 87.45 Ask: 87.46 Last: 87.41 87.45 1 Close 308 1 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:53:50.608983 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.20 Limit 309 1 Pending Cancel 309 Canceling order due to sibling fill Close 308 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day Orders 2022-01-28 11:53:50.609010 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 88.20 Limit 309 1 Canceled 309 Simulated order canceled Close 308 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day |
| [2022-02-01 20:50:35] |
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This is where it is happening: Orders 2022-01-28 11:20:07.144162 Sim1 [Sim]MCLH22_FUT_NYMEX Sell 87.41 Stop 307 1 Pending Modify 307 Auto trail order modification. Move to breakeven. Trigger price: 87.87. Using LastModifyQuantity of 1. Using new provided price. Requested Price: 87.75. Requested Quantity: 1 Close 305 2 MCL 2c.twconfig 0.00 Day
Make sure you are checking the correct Trade Window for the move to breakeven functionality set on a Stop Attached order. Refer to: Basic Trading and the Trade Window: Trade Window Settings Not Applying to Chart or Trading DOM Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing Date Time Of Last Edit: 2022-02-01 20:50:58
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