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Date/Time: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:30:49 +0000
Native Support for Linux. Will This Ever Come?
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| [2024-06-10 19:06:03] |
| User740504 - Posts: 110 |
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@User687917 just because you don't know how to use a linux distribution doesn't mean that the distribution is bad, and you make it worse if you say that you have been programming for 20 years?
Thank you for proving my point, not reading my post, not comprehending anything I wrote, and going off in your own little world of delusion. Typical Linux user. This reminds me of the stupid PS2 vs. XBox arguments my classmates liked to have back in the early 2000s. While a pointless waste of energy, at least those discussions had some merit, since the systems were at least comparable. This discussion is like this, only it's more like Xbox vs. a stick in the back yard. Can you guess which operating system is the stick? @VLiviu Again, I welcome you to list the reasons you would choose Linux over Windows. Saying that they exist, but not bringing them into the discussion, contributes nothing. You had a perfect opportunity to put this Windows-boy to shame by listing the seemingly infinite reasons you Linux-fanboys have to choose your dumpster-fire of an OS over the industry standard, yet chose not to because you cannot name one. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-06-10 19:06:39
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| [2024-06-10 19:12:48] |
| skalaydzhiyski - Posts: 55 |
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Reason 1: unix was written by scientists and hackers, windows by mediocre first-to-market pseudo-engineers. Reason 2: perf Reason 3: Shell Reason 4: customization ... Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-06-10 20:15:53
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| [2024-06-10 19:21:26] |
| VLiviu - Posts: 223 |
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@User740504 my time is very valuable and to be honest I don't need to explain my self why I know Linux is better over window and why I use it since 2000. The end! š¤ |
| [2024-06-10 20:39:24] |
| skalaydzhiyski - Posts: 55 |
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Its because they are real programmers and you probably think JS is fine :)
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| [2024-06-10 21:14:35] |
| ertrader - Posts: 672 |
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I'm happy that some are finding their time with MS products useful. They occasionally have good products (Win 3.1, XP, 7, and after LOTS of issues, 10 is OK). However, 10 is way too invasive for me... the telemetry, tracking, odd OS required applications starting, virus protection applications slowing everything down etc. and yes the fact that SC runs on it so well is MOSTLY due to SC engineering IMO. (Correction 100 Percent due to SC engineering) For me, MS Excel was the most challenging to replace in Linux (and frankly I still keep an MS Windows laptop around in case I have a client that requires the advanced VB code I've developed). Ah but then... the code will probably require HOURS of rework because of course that is how MS works...every new version breaks the prior version. Good luck with Windows 11. Over the last 30+ year, I have been proficient with 7+ languages: (VBA, JCL, JS, C++, Machine language, Fortran, Pascal, Java, SQL, DBase, Foxpro and others) and MS is worst for consistent compatibility. Anyway..I turn the MS laptop on 1 time a month to keep the OS updated and occasionally to get SC support when I find a bug... and of course MS routinely has some kind of ridiculous update issue that takes an hour or more to resolve. I've used MS Excel since inception and also MS Access before MS even owned it, but the roller coaster MS BS (fix, break, fix, break) was just too much. 6 years ago I started documenting my Linux journey. (@VLiviu..this was long after you made the switch and I appreciate your input!) Yes, there have been issues along the way, yes it took time to learn but wow...Mint Linux is so much better (faster, more stable, consistent interface with Cinnamon, supports more hardware, more secure etc.) than the MS alternative for me and many others have had great success with other distributions! Respectfully, to each their own. Now let's go make some money trading with all of these outstanding solutions! Linux Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-06-11 04:22:41
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| [2024-06-10 23:01:04] |
| Tony - Posts: 516 |
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I guess I am a Typical Linux user: took the plunge after suffering by Windows for decades and will never go back. I guess LibreOffice is an excellent alternative for MS Office, they have a coding tool that is very similar to VBA, I already switched all my VBA programs to LibreOffice Agree with ertrader 100%, why we traders having a heated argument on OSes, time will be well spent by having a heated argument on price actions |
| [2024-06-11 04:21:02] |
| User740504 - Posts: 110 |
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History Lesson None of you seem to know the history of your own OS. Shocking. I hope you caught the sarcasm there. That may have been above your 3rd grade reading level. Unix grew out of Bell Labs at AT&T, a FOR PROFIT company. MIT worked with AT&T, as they do with many other companies and agencies, to further the advancement of technological computing. MIT has a habit of spawning off companies or aiding existing companies with their work/research which helps advance the US economy and technological prowess. Unix required a license to use. Unix was confined to companies and universities, which meant that the average person had zero access to it. Also, Linux != Unix. You need to make the distinction between Linux (which is freely available and relatively cost-free) and Unix. Presented with MS-DOS and Unix (both of which required a user to purchase/license, so stop hating on Windows and hate on both if you must), Linus decided that he wanted to create his own operating system, release it into the wild, and allow other people to use, modify, and advance it. How this pertains to this post Microsoft is not evil. Companies have overhead. Companies need to turn a profit. Without profit nothing advances. Most people arenāt willing to work for free. Buying raw materials requires money. Office space requires money. Manufacturing plans require capital. Shipping, packaging, and distributing products and services all have costs, which is something that not only requires capital in todayās modern world, but the ability to make more on a consistent basis. You cannot hate a company for trying to turn a profit. While it may come as a shock to some of you, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs fundamentally changed the world when they introduced "PERSONAL" computing to mainstream life. Without them, what we have now likely wouldn't exist, at least in its current form. Say what you want about either of those two men, but they got the job done, and sometimes that means making hard choices. Sometimes those hard choices involve design decisions that may not be the most elegant, but work for that time period and within that time constraint. I also don't really think they based their decisions around what some internet weebs might think of them decades later with the benefit of both hindsight and freely accessible and easily attainable information. Does anyone here remember having to go to the library to learn anything? Itās easy to sit there and say ābased on my OS Design 401 class at my āno-name-universityā I was taught x, y, and z, and Microsoft sucks because they didnāt follow such design principlesā¦ā. Have you forgotten that the people writing the books and teaching the classes on what you should do and how you should design systems likely learned from or participated in companies such as Microsoft? Where do you think this knowledge comes from? Have any of you had to make choices on OS design and were there for its inception? It's quite easy to shit on an operating system having no experience with designing, running, marketing, and deploying it in the real world yourselves. Iām really curious to know how many of you have actually done low-level work and banged your head against the wall enough times to know just how fantastically difficult is it, not just to create it and manage it but actually ship the damn product. Ask me how I know. Now on to Linus. Linus likely would not have had the privilege of writing his own OS and the hardware to release it on without the personal computing revolution that Bill Gates and Steve Jobs created. He must at least give some credit to having the mass-produced hardware that allowed him to even glimpse into the computing world, which likely would have been confined to companies and universities. Yes, there were other computers and other companies releasing them, but it wasnāt until the big two took off that the PC revolution went mainstream enough to let anyone without 10s to 100s of thousands of dollars to get involved in any serious computational work. How does this apply in 2024? Given the fact that I both value my time and am not in the habit of spending my off-time googling for answers to problems that should have been solved decades prior (Iām talking about basic functionality with the Linux Desktop ecosystem that seems like it has been crazy-glued together, which is funny because someone mentioned that it was designed by āscientists and hackersā but neglects to mention that Linux is open source so any moron with a keyboard and github account can contribute, negating the necessity of being a scientist or hacker), I am less inclined to use an operating system like Linux when I can pay a slight fee for an operating system that works WELL ENOUGH out of the box and lets me get on with my day without spending a ridiculous amount of time just trying to get it to work correctly. Every single day I had a Linux Distro up on my alternate PC, trying as hard as I might to use without wanting to eject it into the void, I would ALWAYS find some problem that needed fixing. It would never just work. Always tinkering, always fixing, always googlingā¦ I wasnāt using the operating system; the operating system was using me. I was its whore. With the monumental price of $199 that I paid for the privilege of using the Windows 11 Workstation Pro license I have the luxury of calling up someone and having them fix my problem without me having to worry about it or having to fix it myself. I do not have the time or patience to sit there and google for 4 hours, trying to figure out why Iām stuck in dependency hell and how Iām going to fix it, when I could just wipe the damn garbage off my PC and install an operating system that can get me up and running within 10 minutes. And to the Neanderthal who suggested I only know JS Anyone who doesnāt understand that you use the right tool for the job and talks down on certain languages obviously has never worked in the industry in any professional capacity. Let me know how Data Structures 301 works out for you. PM me if you have any questions. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-06-11 04:27:17
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| [2024-06-11 04:27:18] |
| ertrader - Posts: 672 |
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Great... keep the $ rolling, I'm all for capitalism.... MS is the largest financial contributor to Linux!! Linux keeps the Internet running and it gets better and better. MS has even added it as a subsystem.
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| [2024-06-11 04:29:32] |
| User740504 - Posts: 110 |
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@User740504
my time is very valuable and to be honest I don't need to explain my self why I know Linux is better over window and why I use it since 2000. The end! š¤ Yes. God exists. I just know it! I can't prove it, won't talk about it, and won't have a discussion about it... but I'm right and you're wrong. I know he's up there watching down on me, while simultaneously letting millions die of starvation, disease, and other easily preventable causes. A loving, just, and omnipotent being if there ever was one. |
| [2024-06-11 04:32:16] |
| User740504 - Posts: 110 |
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| [2024-06-11 04:35:59] |
| ertrader - Posts: 672 |
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And yes...I am one of those few people who where there... daily banged my head against the MS DOS and Win 3.0 machine code... yes... wrote machine language code to fix the stupid floppy disk bugs and reprogrammed the EPROMS because it was trash.
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| [2024-06-11 04:37:07] |
| ertrader - Posts: 672 |
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None of that matters today. What matters is what you did for me today and these solutions are working.
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-06-11 04:39:42
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| [2024-06-11 05:01:30] |
| ertrader - Posts: 672 |
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There was no OS design 401.. LOL! It was being created on the fly and for MS to make $ was truly amazing and well earned. I respect that and participated in the revolution and supported them for decades financially. I was personally responsible for several thousand MS Dos and Windows PCs and initiated some of the first networked computers and computer aided design systems in the US. Again, that is all history.. today we have alternatives, then we did not (well, technically we had SGI but they were too expensive). If MS is working for you great (no sarcasm intended at all).... they have a long history that you can care about or not and look to what is next. As for the history of linux... wikipedia does a good job... and please read more about Minix and Microkernels...fascinating...Linus Torvalds and Andrew S. Tanenbaum had quite a famous debate! Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-06-11 05:31:38
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| [2024-06-11 05:52:33] |
| Ed C. - Posts: 117 |
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@user740504:
Dumpster fire? ROFL!Again, I welcome you to list the reasons you would choose Linux over Windows. Saying that they exist, but not bringing them into the discussion, contributes nothing. You had a perfect opportunity to put this Windows-boy to shame by listing the seemingly infinite reasons you Linux-fanboys have to choose your dumpster-fire of an OS over the industry standard, yet chose not to because you cannot name one. 1. Linux runs twice as fast as Windows on the same hardware. 2. Linux uses less than 1/2 the RAM and CPU of Windows. 3. Linux boots twice as fast as Windows. I use Linux because of the above reasons. SC runs on Linux (albeit a bit slower because of technical reasons with Wine), Libre Office does anything that MS Office can do. I've written code in C/C++ for both Windows and Linux - whatever the client requires. It would be professional suicide for me to waltz onto a client site and start belittling their shop because of their technical choices in operating systems. I'm not trying to put anyone to shame for their PERSONAL choice of operating system. That's why we have multiple choices - if you don't like Windows or Linux, no one is holding a gun to your head - use whatever you want. Freedom of choice, right? Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-06-11 05:54:27
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| [2024-06-11 10:12:25] |
| UnixManiac - Posts: 46 |
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@User740504 Your comments are full of hate and anger. Couple of points though... - Ubuntu LTS is rock solid for many years now as a desktop OS. - Regarding Unix history, "Live Free or Die" https://unix.org/license-plate.html - Microsoft is a corrupted woke company. |
| [2024-06-11 11:40:06] |
| skalaydzhiyski - Posts: 55 |
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@User740504 - LOLL Religious JS guru, this is getting better !
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| [2024-06-11 11:50:58] |
| VLiviu - Posts: 223 |
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poor guy, he's looking for attention :)
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| [2024-06-11 13:46:41] |
| seandunaway - Posts: 268 |
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the good news is i think idle hands and forum flame wars equals market top :D
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| [2024-11-01 17:52:43] |
| YSS - Posts: 112 |
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This was a fun read and I just want to say to the linux fanbois who basically don't know much: Nasdaq exchange was running on WindowsNT kernel, Microsoft had one of the fastest network stacks because of these optimizations they made to make this work. It was one of the requirements Bill Gates came up to get Microsoft getting listed on the Nasdaq and Microsoft hired the best network programmers on the planet to optimize this part of Assembly and C code in their Windows kernel. Linux network stack sucked massively for literally almost 3 decades, when you bought an HFT network card it came with it's own kernel to literally replace the whole TCP/IP stack of the linux kernel, it was that bad. I run Arch btw. |
| [2024-11-01 18:21:23] |
| ChristianP26 - Posts: 4 |
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@YSS excellent point! I know personally my desire to have native Linux support is purely from a convenience perspective :) I would love if I could say goodbye to the dual partition like. I know itās not a huge deal to do that but still just some personal preference, plus then extensions would personally be nicer to develop since it would be native GNU C++ toolchain and not require MSVC cross build (since I and I assume many would rather do their development on Linux) again not a huge deal but just a nice quality of life thing!
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| [2024-11-01 18:26:04] |
| cesium - Posts: 85 |
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how do you know if someone runs arch dont worry, they'll tell u perfect setup |
| [2024-11-01 18:31:11] |
| User753428 - Posts: 163 |
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This was a fun read and I just want to say to the linux fanbois who basically don't know much:
Nasdaq exchange was running on WindowsNT kernel, Microsoft had one of the fastest network stacks because of these optimizations they made to make this work. It was one of the requirements Bill Gates came up to get Microsoft getting listed on the Nasdaq and Microsoft hired the best network programmers on the planet to optimize this part of Assembly and C code in their Windows kernel. Linux network stack sucked massively for literally almost 3 decades, when you bought an HFT network card it came with it's own kernel to literally replace the whole TCP/IP stack of the linux kernel, it was that bad. I run Arch btw. what does this have to do with sierrachart running on linux though? nasdaq exchange running on the fastest network stack (microsoft) is cool, good for microsoft. but that has no relevance to sierrachart running slower on linux compared to windows, if the sc team decides to make a linux-native version some day. |
| [2024-11-01 18:59:50] |
| YSS - Posts: 112 |
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what does this have to do with sierrachart running on linux though?
no nothing, but as a Linux user and lover I just wanted to point out to some amateurs thinking oh it's Winblow$ so everything is bad that they are absolutely wrong. Linux their TCP/IP stack comes to mind. Linux doesn't keep the internet running, that would be BSD thank you very much also. "SC linux runs 3x as fast!" oh really? how do you know? "I don't but IT IS!!!" etc.. I think we're all very happy SC team is fixing the issues that comes up with Wine to have a as good as possible experience for us to prevent dual boots. Just a quick rumor/personal anecdote. Somebody in Redmont apparently leaked that Microsoft had migrated Windows11 to be able to run on the linux kernel. Never to be released of course, but as an experiment, if alternative operating systems would to become to big of a marketshare they could just release Windows for Linux. What a crazy world we live in :-) I'm already happy that SC fixes and optimizes Wine problems. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-11-01 19:03:49
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| [2024-11-01 19:02:30] |
| cesium - Posts: 85 |
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I am having exactly equal or faster speeds running sc in wine on linux, so i am beyond happy
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