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Date/Time: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 14:33:03 +0000
Pulling and stacking numbers
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| [2024-02-27 17:39:23] |
| Jimmyz83 - Posts: 51 |
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I have attached a pic of my dom, the outside red and blue columns are the pulling and stacking columns. I have them set to black color when adding and white when pulling. I can repeatedly watch the numbers and see a current bid or ask current number drop to a lower number and the pulling/stacking column color does not go white. It does not happen all the time and I have played with the 2 dom global settings, but this has not allowed any consistency of decrease in the color of white to show up any different way.
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| [2024-02-27 18:06:24] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 36242 |
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The "Current Traded" columns can not change to a lower value, as they are continuously updating the traded volumes at the Bid/Ask. Also, even if this did occur, it would not be an indicator of changes to the Pulling/Stacking. Since you have the option for "Add Trade Volume to Pulling Stacking Value for Price" set to "No", then the Pulling/Stacking is only going to reflect changes in the limit orders at each price level. There is not a direct way to view this at the price levels that are being traded, as the Bid/Ask Market Depth changes are reflecting both changes in the limit orders and the traded volumes. Further away you could differentiate this. For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2024-02-27 18:39:00] |
| Jimmyz83 - Posts: 51 |
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I am not referring to the current trading columns. I am referring to the pulling and stacking columns, which do currently account for a negative number by allowing me to change the color in the graphics settings when the current quantity on the bid or ask changes either above or below the current number. And it does do this to a degree, unfortunately it does not do it consistantly for all levels which is what I am looking to find out why? can you help, tks
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| [2024-02-27 20:40:28] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 36242 |
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We are really not sure what you are expecting to have happen. There are only four color options for the Pulling/Stacking columns, they are the following: - Chart/Trade DOM Bid Market Depth Pulling/Stacking - Chart/Trade DOM Bid Market Depth Pulling/Stacking Negative - Chart/Trade DOM Ask Market Depth Pulling/Stacking - Chart/Trade DOM Ask Market Depth Pulling/Stacking Negative As such, the only coloring options for the Pulling Stacking columns is to color the Bid/Ask differently and to color the Positive/Negative values in the Pulling/Stacking columns different. We are not sure what other column you are comparing to and how it is supposed to affect the color of the Pulling/Stacking columns. We do not have any options for this. For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2024-02-27 21:02:25] |
| Jimmyz83 - Posts: 51 |
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You are correct, what I am saying is I can sit and watch the column and also watch the column next to it to see if the market is adding or subtracting contracts on the bid or ask. While watching the number of contracts change, the pulling and stacking should also change. It does do this, it will change the quantity which is correct to happen. What it does not do correctly is change the color consistently up and down the pulling and stacking column. When I say inconsistently, what I mean is it works at some levels but does not at others. The current settings have the color changing to white when the number of contracts declines. And it does that at some of the levels but not at all of them. I hope this helps. Let me know if you need further information. Thanks
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| [2024-02-27 21:57:18] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 36242 |
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The coloring is only if the Pulling/Stacking is showing a negative or positive number. Are you seeing times that the Pulling/Stacking is negative, but is not changing the color?
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| [2024-02-27 22:26:47] |
| Jimmyz83 - Posts: 51 |
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Yes you are correct.
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| [2024-02-28 14:53:04] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 36242 |
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The previous image does not show this. All of the negative values are colored differently. And we are not able to reproduce this. Can you please give us an image of when you see this occur so we can see where it is occurring.
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| [2024-02-28 15:35:52] |
| Jimmyz83 - Posts: 51 |
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attached is a pic I just took. it shows the white numbers where the number has decreased. New question, maybe where I am misunderstanding. My understanding is when the bid or ask decreases, the pulling and stacking number is reduced and the number in the pulling and stacking column would be a decrease which is negative (less than the previous number) which would turn it white. What I see is a current pulling and stacking number that is Black without a negative sign in front of it even though the number has reduced. Then for example the bid or ask column will decrease and the pulling and stacking column number will also drop(decrease) but will stay black and not turn white like it should. the number that stays black when the number decreases does not show a negative (-) sign in front of it either. Which I would think it would because the current value has decreased and should turn the number white. Not sure if this helps. |
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| [2024-02-28 20:26:55] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 36242 |
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The coloring of the Pulling/Stacking is ONLY when the numbers are positive or negative. It has no bearing on how the numbers in the Buy/Sell Market Depth are changing. Now, that being said, the Pulling/Stacking should reflect how the numbers are changing in the Buy/Sell Market Depth, but close to the market price, things are fluctuating quickly and the numbers may not align exactly. Additionally, you have the setting for "Add Trade Volume to Pulling Stacking Value for Price". So if you are looking at the Best Bid/Best Ask market depth, then as those numbers change due to trades at those positions, those values are not reflected in the Pulling/Stacking. For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2024-02-28 21:17:12] |
| Jimmyz83 - Posts: 51 |
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My understanding is pulling and stacking is a reflection of total orders at a specific price in the book. Also a negative number would be a number below 0 in the current quantity that is posted at that specific price. I understand your explanation and if you are correct, how can the pulling and stacking column show a negative number when there is currently orders sitting on the bid or ask at that specific price? If you say that it is currently correct, can you explain how it is designed to function. I ask the above because it would make sense that a pulling and stacking column would report when the resting orders at a specific price would change (which it does) but that the option to change the color when the quantity increases or decreases would be where the advantage for the information is at. Also on other platforms I have used, that is exactly the way it is set up. |
| [2024-02-28 21:44:10] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 36242 |
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The Pulling/Stacking gives the information for changes in the limit orders at a particular price level. If the number goes down, then the pulling/stacking number should be negative at that moment in time (and vice versa). But, if you are looking at the pulling/stacking close to the market price, there is a lot going on, so you need to ensure that you are understanding what it is reflecting. In particular, we added a new setting for "Add Trade Volume to Pulling Stacking Value for Price". By default, this is set to "Yes", but you have it set to "No". Refer to the following regarding this setting: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/GlobalTradeSettings.html#AddTradeValueToPullingStackingValueForPrice Also refer to the information for the Pulling/Stacking columns: Global Trade Settings Windows: Bid Market Depth Pulling/Stacking - Left/Center/Right Aligned For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2024-02-28 22:46:19] |
| Jimmyz83 - Posts: 51 |
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Ok, so I think we are getting closer, I understand in the moment in time when it decreases the number goes negative and then my color changes to white. So we both agree to that, What I have been trying to explain is that it does not do it most of the time. And I am not just referring to the close the market levels, but am referring to all of them, 50+ price levels away from the market, it does not change to negative or white consistently in the pulling and stacking column when the resting orders decrease. I will attach my setting for you to see if you can duplicate it. I also did a recent sierra charts software update. Not sure if I should go download the old one? |
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| [2024-02-29 15:42:44] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 36242 |
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The main question we have is whether the numbers displayed in the Pulling/Stacking are showing as negative and not changing to the color you want. Please let us know if this is the case. In terms of the Pulling/Stacking not displaying a negative value when the market depth changes, then that is something different that we would need to look into. For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2024-02-29 15:50:00] |
| Jimmyz83 - Posts: 51 |
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When the number shows a negative sign in front of it, it does change to the white color which is correct. The problem seems to be that not all numbers when decreased are changing to the negative sign which prevents them from turning white.
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| [2024-03-01 13:45:38] |
| Jimmyz83 - Posts: 51 |
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Also, when I clear the pulling and stacking data it will start working again. It then slowly starts to not work after a period of time. I could not find anywhere if there is some sort of time sensitivity to the information at each level. It will start to not work after about 2 minutes when I clear the data and then I can refresh it which gives more accurate information and works correctly. Is something wrong with the setting.
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| [2024-03-01 16:01:54] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 36242 |
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We will have to look into this, but it is going to take some time.
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