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Date/Time: Sat, 19 Apr 2025 10:02:52 +0000
Adjusting / moving drawings after futures rollover
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| [2023-10-24 01:46:47] |
| EverEdge - Posts: 17 |
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Hello, I'm finding a couple of past threads on related issues but nothing that answers my question. I track multiple futures markets and the charts (whether they are time-based, non-linear, TPO, VP, etc.) are heavily marked with drawings (e.g. extended rectangles, horizontal lines). At rollover time, I perform volume-based continuous back-adjusted rollover. Of course, the data moves by the amount of the rollover premium, but the drawings do not. Having to manually redraw or move numerous drawings going back 2 years once a quarter for a number of markets (and more frequently for products like crude) is extremely labor-intensive. I have found the following instructions under "adjusting chart drawings to match futures contract rollover difference" https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/ChangingFuturesContract.html#AdjustingDrawingsMatchRollover. But I cannot get it work consistently, and if the feature is not reliable, the only option is to do it by hand so you're not trading off inaccurate data. Specifically, the issues I'm encountering are as follows. Not all on one chart, but this is a list of all issues I've seen over time across all charts: 1. Some drawings don't show up on the list. The list of drawings in the "tools -> manage charts drawings window' is smaller than the actual drawings visible on the chart. I played with the data limiting to load more days, but some drawings are not always picked up on some charts. 2. I have to manually select all drawings, and there are a 3-digit number of them going back as much as 2 years per chart. Please consider this a feature request (select all), unless I'm missing something. 3. Sometimes, some of the selected drawings do not move with the adjustment. 4. Sometimes, all the drawings do move, but the locations are not accurate despite the roll premium being entered correctly. This is especially true if it's a negative number. These issues are intermittent, and it is not rollover time, so I cannot easily reproduce them. But I figured I'd start this thread because if I can develop confidence in the reliability and accuracy of this feature before the next rollover, it'd save a ton of time thereafter. Am I missing something or doing something wrong as per above, or else what is your best guess as to what could be intermittently causing some of these issues so I can try to troubleshoot them myself? Thanks! |
| [2023-10-25 16:09:27] |
| Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 19276 |
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1. These would be drawings copied from other at charts and they would not be adjusted. 2. This is currently available in the latest release. It is not likely we can help with anything else. If we are not able to reproduce the problem, and we cannot, and being that this functionality is very simple and straightforward we do not see how we can help with it. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-10-25 16:18:29
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| [2023-10-25 16:29:03] |
| Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 19276 |
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We also would recommend not adjusting drawings for more than one symbol at a time. Only adjust one specific symbol at a time. And update to the latest release to see if that makes any difference. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2023-11-01 17:27:02] |
| EverEdge - Posts: 17 |
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Hello, Thanks for this. 1. I am aware that drawings copied from other charts won't move. I'm only referring to native drawings. I think this may be related to your last comment about adjusting more than one symbol and/or multiple charts at a time. Please see below. 2. Good to know. I will also test the new version by duplicating some charts and arbitrarily adjusting drawings up/down since it is not rollover time. This rather obscure functionality is not a trivial issue at all as it is one of the most time-consuming tasks I have to do regularly on SC. If the functionality to automatically move drawings cannot be trusted to work reliably, I have to manually move them in order not to risk trading with inaccurate data. My profile charts are marked up with hundreds of drawings -- composites, naked VPOCs, HVNs, poor extremes, single prints, etc. - so that they can then be superimposed on lower time frame charts of all persuasions. I've seen many other traders do the same. So imagine manually moving a three-digit number of drawings times multiple profile charts times multiple markets/symbols. For the indexes alone (which have the largest number of associated profile charts), this takes half a day x 4 times a year = 2 whole days a year manually moving and adjusting drawings. I'd be willing to pay a lot of money (as in donate to your development) to make sure this functionality is rock-solid and can be 100% trusted to be accurate and to not miss any drawings. Thanks for listening! As far as your latest comment re: not moving more than one symbol at a time, that sounds right. When I get the prompt "symbol needs to roll over, click to roll over", etc., and go with it, the originally described behavior tends to occur more frequently. When I get it on multiple symbols with multiple charts each at the same time in the same chartbook, it gets worse. When I then adjust the drawings after the fact, some seem to get left behind, some move inaccurately, etc. If, instead, I manually change the symbol and adjust one chart at a time, and one symbol at a time, there are much fewer issues. This is anecdotal, but what you said definitely has the ring of truth, though I have no idea why. Hope this helps fix it for everybody. |
| [2025-03-14 12:53:43] |
| User456039 - Posts: 24 |
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This works as mentioned in first post Changing to a New Futures Contract Month: Adjusting Chart Drawings to Match Futures Contract Rollover Difference I'm being lazy but I find it time consuming with a risk of error (like I may miss one or get the amount wrong) to go into message logs, get the amount, then go into drawings, enter it, select them all to adjust, then have to do this for every contract. Could it be added as a feature request, to do this automatically, if its possible to code? I would love a single check box for "Also Adjust drawings" next to "Also Rollover ChartDrawing Symbols" |
| [2025-03-14 16:53:29] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 39362 |
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You can select multiple drawings on the "Manage Chart Drawings" window and adjust them all at the same time.
For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2025-03-27 16:50:20] |
| User456039 - Posts: 24 |
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Thanks. Gas roll today, and I selected all of them, but the process is still a bit bothersome. I'm okay with doing it manually, but it would be great if it could be an automatic feature at some point. Here is my process for context: The Global Option for detailed chart logging never stays YES; it always defaults back to NO. I often forget between days and wonder why I can't find the figures in the log when it comes to a roll. Scrolling through the logs and finding the correct adjustment figure is awkward. I have to write down the figure as there is no cut and paste the figure from the log. It's easy to make a mistake - missing a decimal or negative figure, getting the wrong contract roll figure. (although haven't made a mistake yet) It's awkward to go through all the separate charts and apply the adjustment figures as I have several charts/TPO, etc., for each future. (This is a minor point, but It adjusts all drawings, so any annotations I made on oscillators in other regions are messed up, and it's not easy to identify drawings in the different regions from the mage drawing tool.) There is no history of adjustments, so I have no way of checking if I did it or not or what value I used/didn't; sometimes, I have to leave quickly and return. I hate rolls themselves; they always come at the worst time, and I'm never prepared, but I like the Sierra auto volume calculation that tells me when to roll. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2025-03-27 16:51:40
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